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post Dec 16 2005, 03:52 PM
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Just wondered if any of you folks from Ottawa had seen this:

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Supposedly this was taken this morning during rush hour. I wondered if anybody had seen it, or heard about a major traffic snarl due to the snow...

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post Dec 19 2005, 12:01 PM
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This story appeared in today's Ottawa Citizen:

Articulated buses poorly designed for snowy conditions, trainer says
Power is in rear section only

Robert Janelle
The Ottawa Citizen

Monday, December 19, 2005

Ottawa's transportation committee will meet today to discuss what should be done after 54 OC Transpo buses became stuck or slid off streets during Friday morning's snowy rush hour.

Goulbourn Councillor Janet Stavinga, who heads the committee, said that although the committee won't meet formally again until January because of budget talks, members will gather today to try to find out what went wrong.

"With an event of this magnitude, we need to see what lessons we can learn," she said, adding she'll be asking for a verbal report in January.

"Certainly, we'll be asking our staff what can be done to prevent this," added Bay Councillor Alex Cullen, who sits on the transportation committee. Almost all the problems involved late-model articulated buses, which are badly designed for use in heavy snow, according to a Transpo driver trainer.

Guy Tasse, who trains new drivers and drives buses himself, said the latest-model articulated buses (the two-section buses with the "accordion" in the middle) made by New Flyer of Canada, have both the drive wheels and engine in the rear, past the accordion section.

This means the front section has no power of its own, making it difficult to manoeuvre through snow, especially on hills.

The other problem is that, once an articulated bus has turned at a 32-degree angle or greater, drivers can no longer reverse, preventing
them from doing anything if a bus starts to jack-knife.

"They've got 42 or 43 new buses that are entirely redesigned. It'll take a bit of time to get all the bugs out," he said.

"I haven't seen the city in that kind of mayhem in a long time."

However, "on light snow, they're fairly good," said Mr. Tasse.

He said the new buses are equipped with a "deep mud switch" that a driver can push to get the drive wheels moving full-throttle when stuck, but with the other design issues, there is only so much that system can do.

Mr. Tasse, who was driving an older bus on Friday, had no problems during his shift, but he saw many of the new buses stuck.

Mr. Cullen noted that the city has used articulated buses for many years without any major problems.

But Osgoode Councillor Doug Thompson, who also sits on the transportation committee, said he's eager to learn what happened.

"I think it's important to find out what the problem was," he said.

Mr. Thompson suggested he might look into not using the articulated buses on days when snowfall is expected to be as heavy as it was Friday.

"I know that we need those types of buses to get residents around the city," he said. But "if they're out there and they're not in service, they aren't helping anyone."

Mr. Cullen, however, said the freak snowfall was the biggest problem.

"I think people need to realize that was a lot of snow. We came within centimetres of having a record snowfall."

The traffic-slowing buses included one stuck on the hill leading up to Slater Street from LeBreton Flats, backing up the transitway to Tunney's Pasture, and six articulated buses stuck at Eddy Street and Tache Boulevard in Hull.
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post Dec 19 2005, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Walton @ Dec 19 2005, 12:01 PM)
"They've got 42 or 43 new buses that are entirely redesigned. It'll take a bit of time to get all the bugs out," he said.

Is he referring to the Inveros here, or the 63xx D60LFs (which are not totally redesigned)? Maybe the next order for artics should be for Novas or Van Hools?
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G.Prior   Artics + Snow = egaaad   Dec 16 2005, 03:52 PM
Shaun   Dont they have an anti jack knife feature on it?   Dec 16 2005, 04:08 PM
D40LF   Wow! Any idea what part of Ottawa that was?   Dec 16 2005, 04:28 PM
Kevin L   It was in Downtown Hull (near the Terraces de la C...   Dec 16 2005, 05:08 PM
D40LF   If it is downtown Hull where are the STO buses and...   Dec 16 2005, 05:24 PM
MCIBUS   Look at the botom of the pic. Thats where the st...   Dec 16 2005, 05:56 PM
potato   It was also a horror show on the Transitway at Leb...   Dec 16 2005, 06:44 PM
general682002   [size=4][font=Geneva]There are couple of routes ...   Dec 16 2005, 08:42 PM
nova9419   First artic to go was the one on the bottom righ...   Dec 17 2005, 10:50 AM
D. Yip   [color=#0033AA][b]Lol, a fishbowl is staring at al...   Dec 16 2005, 05:37 PM
kevlo86   I'm assuming this is by no means a common occu...   Dec 16 2005, 07:30 PM
general682002   [size=4][font=Geneva]The City of Gatineau snowpl...   Dec 16 2005, 08:43 PM
OC D40i   Apparently the trippers that are supposed to have ...   Dec 16 2005, 07:33 PM
SMS   That explains everything. But it's also idio...   Dec 17 2005, 02:46 AM
Rapibus   This is at the corner of Laurier (upper-left), Tac...   Dec 16 2005, 07:42 PM
D60LF ISM   WOW how many of those artics are there in oc trans...   Dec 16 2005, 09:47 PM
J.Boic   Mississauga's D60LFs have jack knifed several...   Dec 16 2005, 11:50 PM
D60LF ISM   I know any articulated bus can jack knife but I...   Dec 17 2005, 07:33 AM
NSX   Really? I thought it's because the D60LFs u...   Dec 17 2005, 08:39 AM
felixpoon   Don't worry they get washed everyday from a ...   Dec 17 2005, 08:55 AM
J.Boic   I think the Van Hools would probably be the most ...   Dec 17 2005, 12:30 PM
GM-UNIT   And thats why they have rear wheels that turn al...   Dec 17 2005, 01:19 PM
Matt Demers   They do.   Dec 17 2005, 02:33 PM
J.Boic   No, that feature is to help the driver make a bet...   Dec 17 2005, 05:31 PM
MCIBUS   What a second? :huh: :unsure: I thought those...   Dec 17 2005, 07:28 PM
D. DeLarge   Mounted off to the side I think, or else it wou...   Dec 17 2005, 08:04 PM
ikarus8737   IMO a tractor artic with good tires on the drive...   Dec 18 2005, 09:52 AM
Mark Walton   I've started a thread in the Montreal forum ...   Dec 18 2005, 12:21 PM
MCIBUS   Question? Is it possible to have two drive axles ...   Dec 17 2005, 09:22 PM
Mark Walton   I was on a # 8 (Orion V) going ober the Chaudiere ...   Dec 17 2005, 10:12 PM
D40LF   The photo of the D60LF's was shown on 'The...   Dec 19 2005, 09:29 AM
Mark Walton   This story appeared in today's Ottawa Citizen:...   Dec 19 2005, 12:01 PM
GRT Nova LFS   Is he referring to the Inveros here, or the 63xx ...   Dec 19 2005, 02:45 PM
yrt+viva=1system   that snow storm that toronto had last week...i was...   Dec 19 2005, 08:10 PM
MCIBUS   How well would they do in 23 cm of snow? I bet t...   Dec 19 2005, 09:41 PM
yrt+viva=1system   the vanhools performed much better than the newfl...   Dec 19 2005, 10:19 PM
D40LF   Kingston got 27 cm of snow and the buses did well...   Dec 20 2005, 08:14 AM

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